[Tonio Staff Report] & [PK reversal]

[Hondo516]

What was the staff member's name?:

Tonio

What is your in-game name?:
James Reese

Exact time this incident happened?:

10:00 PM EST

Please describe the incident:

I was kidnapped by members of Paradise Falls and taken to their base in the arena area and was told to either give them 2,000 Caps or I would be “put to work”. My kidnappers started to use out of character terms such as PK ,Player, Spawn, and Inventory. As I was trying to remain in character I questioned what those terms were. My kidnappers became frustrated and contacted staff to conduct a PK. Tonio responded to the ticket and as I was trying to explain my side of the story the kidnappers continued to abuse the gag system to prevent me from explaining my side of the story. Additionally my kidnappers called me a retard on multiple occasions during the staff sit. Tonio Asked if I would comply with the commands I was given by me Kidnappers, I responded with “As long as they use in character terms I will be more than happy to listen to what they say” He then set me to PK active and had me killed.

The fact that Tonio allowed them to be disrespectful during a staff sit and abuse the gag system while I was attempting to explain my side is completely unacceptable.  Additionally, the fact that I was pk'd when I said I would comply with their orders as long as they used in character terms. And at no point in time did I deny or fuse An order that was given to me by them. I simply questioned the out of character terms they were using.

Based off the handbook the individuals involved in this sit are in violation of rules

Section A, 1: Use respectful language and avoid racial and homophobic slurs, whether in-character or out-of-character.

Section A, 3: Stay in character and avoid using out-of-character language, including terms like FailRP or FearRP, which don't align with the world or character.

Section A, 4: Treat other players with kindness and avoid being rude or toxic towards them.

Rules of Fear RP

1. Engage in Fear RP with a player by outnumbering them 2 to 1, aiming weapons at them, and issuing commands. Once all three requirements are met, the player is subjected to Fear RP.

3. When handcuffed or restrained, you must comply with Fear Roleplay rules as long as at least one weapon is pointed at you.

As neither of my kidnappers had a weapon aimed at me at any point in time when the commands were given None of my actions would be considered break of fear RP

Please provide any evidence or proof of the incident:

https://medal.tv/games/garrys-mod/clips/ivcXJDhgVSIo19GdE/d1337GzbFFnO?invite=cr-MSxCdWksMjEzMTc4OTczLA

[Shepherd]

[Hank Ricci]

-1 Tonio does no evil

[Danny Linguini]

Rock me mama like a wagon wheel (I’ll read it all when I get outta the gym)

[Fearsome]

They explained it to you in a way which you knew it was a PK if you refused so you don't just think your respawning normally and get a nasty surprise and then explained how to farm which you wouldn't have. Theirs not really an RP way to explain casting conjuration magic in your f1 to spawn seeds. Petty as fuck report you had it coming.

[rCosmic]

He pulled the rule book out and everything. This sit could have been handled way better, and could have let you make your full point, i personally agree with staying in the rules of Section A, 3. 

[Fearsome]

Sorry bro you said inventory which a term 99.9% of the server uses instead of sack or back pocket therefore I don't have to follow fearrp and do my time and I can actually waste time instead! :nerd:

[bongowongo]

-1. You were PK'd last wipe multiple times for being a pain in the ass and being overall incompetent. You farm the same way you do when you sit at ur sharecrop vendor for 6 hours a day. You do this every time you are enslaved and get angry when things don't go your way. If this was a serious roleplay server, I would totally agree with you. It is not a serious roleplay server. You are a NCR trooper who pvp's and farms crops. Just because you are kidnapped by PF doesn't mean you need to pretend that you are some super serious role-player. 

[rCosmic]

On 8/19/2024 at 8:59 AM, bongowongo said:

If this was a server, I would totally agree with you. It is not a serious roleplay server. 

Whether it’s a serious server or not, you can at least act a little professional player wise when in a rp situation regarding PKs or farming or ooc terms for ic context 

[Hondo516]

On 8/19/2024 at 10:56 AM, Fearsome said:

Sorry bro you said inventory which a term 99.9% of the server uses instead of sack or back pocket therefore I don't have to follow fearrp and do my time and I can actually waste time instead! :nerd:

My character wasn’t under fearRP in the clip. Neither of them had their weapons aimed at me when they were giving me commands, which means I am not subject to fear RP rules.

[Hondo516]

On 8/19/2024 at 10:59 AM, bongowongo said:

-1. You were PK'd last wipe multiple times for being a pain in the ass and being overall incompetent. You farm the same way you do when you sit at ur sharecrop vendor for 6 hours a day. You do this every time you are enslaved and get angry when things don't go your way. If this was a serious roleplay server, I would totally agree with you. It is not a serious roleplay server. You are a NCR trooper who pvp's and farms crops. Just because you are kidnapped by PF doesn't mean you need to pretend that you are some super serious role-player. 

You must have me confused with somebody else. last wipe I was only PK’ed once and it was at the very beginning and it had nothing to do with me breaking for FearRP

[Hondo516]

On 8/19/2024 at 10:54 AM, Fearsome said:

They explained it to you in a way which you knew it was a PK if you refused so you don't just think your respawning normally and get a nasty surprise and then explained how to farm which you wouldn't have. Theirs not really an RP way to explain casting conjuration magic in your f1 to spawn seeds. Petty as fuck report you had it coming.

I never refused to farm for them, I simply questioned the out of character terms they were using. Even when the staff member asked if I would comply I said yes I would as long as they used in character terms.

[Snuffy]

This might be the only guy on the server who roleplays this hard excluding FOA. It would be silly to enforce this because staff know a large part of the divide player base is PVP and beefs with little roleplay. If we get in trouble for explaining a PK to what we think is a new player and being a little bit toxic then a lot of community should be getting in trouble (lets not pretend like PF is the only faction that's ever been toxic on this server). It doesn't make sense for NCR to be toxic but they are, however it makes sense for PF to be a little toxic because were raiders, scum of the wasteland and as everyone know when your getting slaved we don't have to be nice to you. 

[Hondo516]

On 8/19/2024 at 3:00 PM, Snuffy said:

This might be the only guy on the server who roleplays this hard excluding FOA. It would be silly to enforce this because staff know a large part of the divide player base is PVP and beefs with little roleplay. If we get in trouble for explaining a PK to what we think is a new player and being a little bit toxic then a lot of community should be getting in trouble (lets not pretend like PF is the only faction that's ever been toxic on this server). It doesn't make sense for NCR to be toxic but they are, however it makes sense for PF to be a little toxic because were raiders, scum of the wasteland and as everyone know when your getting slaved we don't have to be nice to you. 

I was never asked if I was a new player or not so for them to just assume is their own fault. Once they contacted staff that entire situation became out of character and they continued call me retarded which means your whole point of PF being wasteland scum and they should be allowed to be toxic doesn’t hold any water. regardless, if the server is primarily PVP based. There are still rules in place and just because most people don’t make tickets or bring the rulebook into question doesn’t make it OK for people to violate these rules and disrespect those who still want to role-play.

[Kaz]

On 8/19/2024 at 3:59 PM, bongowongo said:

If this was a serious roleplay server, I would totally agree with you.

Wrath said this was an rp focused wipe so. I MEAN.

[miff]

@Toni0 your cooked little bro

[ThunderWolf]

On 8/18/2024 at 7:39 PM, Hondo516 said:

Based off the handbook the individuals involved in this sit are in violation of rules

Section A, 1: Use respectful language and avoid racial and homophobic slurs, whether in-character or out-of-character.

Section A, 3: Stay in character and avoid using out-of-character language, including terms like FailRP or FearRP, which don't align with the world or character.

Section A, 4: Treat other players with kindness and avoid being rude or toxic towards them.

Rules of Fear RP

1. Engage in Fear RP with a player by outnumbering them 2 to 1, aiming weapons at them, and issuing commands. Once all three requirements are met, the player is subjected to Fear RP.

3. When handcuffed or restrained, you must comply with Fear Roleplay rules as long as at least one weapon is pointed at you.

As neither of my kidnappers had a weapon aimed at me at any point in time when the commands were given None of my actions would be considered break of fear RP

Ah! A Man that likes to self-plain as much as I do by pulling out the textbook! Let me break it down with my counter point: Looking at your Medal Clip.

At the 30 second mark, you basically played a smart-ass acting out "what's a PK?". While Section A,3 explains to be In-Character, using GTARP logic in terms for ANY roleplay server, there isn't realistically always any way to explain the littlest roleplay mechanic such as "PK" in an RP setting. Sometimes these things tend to happen. Fearsome is right to say that the report right off the bat was done as a means of pettiness. You still continue this behavior up towards the one minute mark.

Sidenote: Had to re-watch your clip a couple of times since the other side is barely heard, this benefits against you as it makes it difficult to prove your claims of their blatant name calling.*

Right off immediately into the clip, it SHOWS YOU how to essentially plant crops. If we want to overcomplicate things, you said that you're a "Member of the NCR". Ok, then you should've also known that you were taught HOW TO BUY AMMO to well... USE YOUR SERVICE RIFLE COURTESY OF THE NCR. Both Crop items and Ammo are found in the same area. Can you guess kiddos? That's right! The F1 Menu buy shop! Something that any and all NCOs of ANY faction takes the time to teach newcomers about during recruitment. And don't even THINK about spinning the blame onto you NCR NCO now since you've now just thrown yourself under the bus.

At 2:50, you contested the sit with Tonio stating and I quote, "I'm sorry, where in the rules does it explain 15 to 20 minutes?". You basically incriminated yourself as it shows that you didn't read the ENTIRETY of the rules.

Please Read the Rules and refer to Rules 6 and 16 of the Rules Page.

At 3:25, Tonio is right. The sit and the demonstration as to HOW to plant crops can be seen, and I will guarantee that if you wanted to double down and get a Staff Council opinion, is considered an OOC situation.

The remainder of the clip is just you going back and forth with Staff and the Paradise Falls members about not using "The proper roleplay terms" (4:42). By that point I've seen enough.

 

 

TLDR: Not trying to be a dick about it, but for as much as they can seem like assholes, it's very dependent on the attitude that you treat them. Like Tonio said, you should've Chillax'ed. If they still kept badgering you with the R-slur, name calling, etc. You should've made a separate player report on Toxicity while complying with them. What you did was doubled down and stooped to their level.

Best care scenario in your favor is that they just get a verbal warning for jokingly "muting" you while you were trying to talk in the sit, but Tonio did nothing wrong and you shouldn't have your PK reversed.

If there was anything greater than a -1 (Besides positives, since I mean you deserve like -10), then I'd put that.

Edit: Man's factually cooked and ratio'ed at this point with my post now.

[Hondo516]

On 8/20/2024 at 2:48 AM, ThunderWolf said:

Ah! A Man that likes to self-plain as much as I do by pulling out the textbook! Let me break it down with my counter point: Looking at your Medal Clip.

At the 30 second mark, you basically played a smart-ass acting out "what's a PK?". While Section A,3 explains to be In-Character, using GTARP logic in terms for ANY roleplay server, there isn't realistically always any way to explain the littlest roleplay mechanic such as "PK" in an RP setting. Sometimes these things tend to happen. Fearsome is right to say that the report right off the bat was done as a means of pettiness. You still continue this behavior up towards the one minute mark.

Sidenote: Had to re-watch your clip a couple of times since the other side is barely heard, this benefits against you as it makes it difficult to prove your claims of their blatant name calling.*

Right off immediately into the clip, it SHOWS YOU how to essentially plant crops. If we want to overcomplicate things, you said that you're a "Member of the NCR". Ok, then you should've also known that you were taught HOW TO BUY AMMO to well... USE YOUR SERVICE RIFLE COURTESY OF THE NCR. Both Crop items and Ammo are found in the same area. Can you guess kiddos? That's right! The F1 Menu buy shop! Something that any and all NCOs of ANY faction takes the time to teach newcomers about during recruitment. And don't even THINK about spinning the blame onto you NCR NCO now since you've now just thrown yourself under the bus.

At 2:50, you contested the sit with Tonio stating and I quote, "I'm sorry, where in the rules does it explain 15 to 20 minutes?". You basically incriminated yourself as it shows that you didn't read the ENTIRETY of the rules.

Please Read the Rules and refer to Rules 6 and 16 of the Rules Page.

At 3:25, Tonio is right. The sit and the demonstration as to HOW to plant crops can be seen, and I will guarantee that if you wanted to double down and get a Staff Council opinion, is considered an OOC situation.

The remainder of the clip is just you going back and forth with Staff and the Paradise Falls members about not using "The proper roleplay terms" (4:42). By that point I've seen enough.

 

 

TLDR: Not trying to be a dick about it, but for as much as they can seem like assholes, it's very dependent on the attitude that you treat them. Like Tonio said, you should've Chillax'ed. If they still kept badgering you with the R-slur, name calling, etc. You should've made a separate player report on Toxicity while complying with them. What you did was doubled down and stooped to their level.

Best care scenario in your favor is that they just get a verbal warning for jokingly "muting" you while you were trying to talk in the sit, but Tonio did nothing wrong and you shouldn't have your PK reversed.

If there was anything greater than a -1 (Besides positives, since I mean you deserve like -10), then I'd put that.

Edit: Man's factually cooked and ratio'ed at this point with my post now.

It has nothing to do with pettiness, It's the fact that they decided to call staff and while I was trying to explain my side they continued to gag me and not allow me to share my point and the staff member just sat there and let that all happen. Additionally It's one thing to be toxic And say something once or twice but the fact that they called me retarded multiple times during that Entire set is completely uncalled for And on top of that when they would gag me they would then mock me And make a joke of what I was trying to say. I don't know any of these people personally For my recollection I don't recall ever running into these people or having a problem with them in the past, I would hope that anybody regardless of new or veteran player to this community would not want to be treated like this or go through a similar situation And it's sad that a staff member witnessed this and did not try to intervene or stop this from happening.

Edited August 20, 2024 at 02:46 PM by Hondo516

[Hondo516]

On 8/20/2024 at 2:48 AM, ThunderWolf said:

Ah! A Man that likes to self-plain as much as I do by pulling out the textbook! Let me break it down with my counter point: Looking at your Medal Clip.

At the 30 second mark, you basically played a smart-ass acting out "what's a PK?". While Section A,3 explains to be In-Character, using GTARP logic in terms for ANY roleplay server, there isn't realistically always any way to explain the littlest roleplay mechanic such as "PK" in an RP setting. Sometimes these things tend to happen. Fearsome is right to say that the report right off the bat was done as a means of pettiness. You still continue this behavior up towards the one minute mark.

Sidenote: Had to re-watch your clip a couple of times since the other side is barely heard, this benefits against you as it makes it difficult to prove your claims of their blatant name calling.*

Right off immediately into the clip, it SHOWS YOU how to essentially plant crops. If we want to overcomplicate things, you said that you're a "Member of the NCR". Ok, then you should've also known that you were taught HOW TO BUY AMMO to well... USE YOUR SERVICE RIFLE COURTESY OF THE NCR. Both Crop items and Ammo are found in the same area. Can you guess kiddos? That's right! The F1 Menu buy shop! Something that any and all NCOs of ANY faction takes the time to teach newcomers about during recruitment. And don't even THINK about spinning the blame onto you NCR NCO now since you've now just thrown yourself under the bus.

At 2:50, you contested the sit with Tonio stating and I quote, "I'm sorry, where in the rules does it explain 15 to 20 minutes?". You basically incriminated yourself as it shows that you didn't read the ENTIRETY of the rules.

Please Read the Rules and refer to Rules 6 and 16 of the Rules Page.

At 3:25, Tonio is right. The sit and the demonstration as to HOW to plant crops can be seen, and I will guarantee that if you wanted to double down and get a Staff Council opinion, is considered an OOC situation.

The remainder of the clip is just you going back and forth with Staff and the Paradise Falls members about not using "The proper roleplay terms" (4:42). By that point I've seen enough.

 

 

TLDR: Not trying to be a dick about it, but for as much as they can seem like assholes, it's very dependent on the attitude that you treat them. Like Tonio said, you should've Chillax'ed. If they still kept badgering you with the R-slur, name calling, etc. You should've made a separate player report on Toxicity while complying with them. What you did was doubled down and stooped to their level.

Best care scenario in your favor is that they just get a verbal warning for jokingly "muting" you while you were trying to talk in the sit, but Tonio did nothing wrong and you shouldn't have your PK reversed.

If there was anything greater than a -1 (Besides positives, since I mean you deserve like -10), then I'd put that.

Edit: Man's factually cooked and ratio'ed at this point with my post now.

One last thing I should not have been PK’ed in the first place as they were not following Following fear RP guidelines. The rules clearly state that “When handcuffed or restrained, you must comply with Fear Roleplay rules as long as at least one weapon is pointed at you.” The only time they have a gun aimed at me is at the very beginning of my clip from that point forward neither of them have a weapon aimed at me. So them telling me “to farm or go to work”  I don't have to technically comply with. So the fact that the staff member PK’ed me for not Following fear RP rules Means this whole situation is null and void.  So TLDR the staff member made a bad call on top of allowed players to be toxic and disrespectful in a staff sit and abuse a system to prevent me from sharing my side.

[Toni0]

I asked you several times if you were willing to work, you didn't say you were. Even after the several times being ungagged. Every opportunity I gave you to talk and allowed you to say you were, you didn't take it and instead argued.

 

Even when they let you talk before the sit erupted into a pettyfest you acted smart by saying "OH HOW DO I FARM" in which you got a neutral ooc/ic answer because that is exactly what farming is, its all done through f1 menus. What is the explanation for someone buying carrots infinitely from their pockets? And if they did tell you to do it properly you likely would've continued to troll them and pester them because that is exactly how the 6 MINUTE sit happened in the first place. They even put a text screen up on their slave pit instructing people what to do. 

 

But yes you want the proper roleplay explanation for pulling infinite amounts of seeds out of your pocket to farm. 

 

Also you were slave collared. They gave you orders. You abide by them. shrimple as that. NOT following orders is a pk. They said they can pk you as a ooc warning that you can be pk'd for what you were doing. Funnily enough if you just took the enslavement and they released you, you yourself could've pk'd them for this warning but you instead drag it on for no reason at all. I also forgot to mention, after the pk you reverted your name to your previous name pre-pk. Without talking to any staff members. Also I don't know how inventory wouldn't be an ic term? 

 

 

Edited August 20, 2024 at 02:55 PM by Toni0

[Hondo516]

On 8/20/2024 at 10:49 AM, Toni0 said:

I asked you several times if you were willing to work, you didn't say you were. Even after the several times being ungagged. 

 

Even when they let you talk before the sit erupted into a pettyfest you acted smart by saying "OH HOW DO I FARM" in which you got a neutral ooc/ic answer because that is exactly what farming is, its all done through f1 menus. What is the explanation for someone buying carrots infinitely from their pockets? And if they did tell you to do it properly you likely would've continued to troll them and pester them because that is exactly how the 6 MINUTE sit happened in the first place. They even put a text screen up on their slave pit instructing people what to do. 

 

But yes you want the proper roleplay explanation for pulling infinite amounts of seeds out of your pocket to farm. 

 

Also you were slave collared. They gave you orders. You abide by them. shrimple as that. NOT following orders is a pk. They said they can pk you as a ooc warning that you can be pk'd for what you were doing. Funnily enough if you just took the enslavement and they released you, you yourself could've pk'd them for this warning but you instead drag it on for no reason at all. I also forgot to mention, after the pk you reverted your name to your previous name pre-pk. Without talking to any staff members. Also I don't know how inventory wouldn't be an ic term? 

 

I'm going to take a wild guess and say that you didn't look at the clip, 1,  multiple times in the clip you can hear me say “as long as you/they use proper terms I will be more than happy to comply with you/them” this can be seen at 3:40, This was said to both them and yourself at no point in time during that entire situation did I deny or refuse a legitimate command. At no point in time is a slave collar put on me. When a slave collar is put on there is a timer put in the upper hand of your screen which I do not have.

 

[Marski]

ranger reese = -1
plus tonio is by boo bear

[Hondo516]

On 8/20/2024 at 11:31 AM, Marski said:

ranger reese = -1
plus tonio is by boo bear

oh yes, let's completely dismiss my claims just because you're friends with Tonio, let's leave the nepotism for in-game Stuff Marski 

[miff]

@Toni0you might be slightly less cooked

[Marski]

On 8/20/2024 at 11:43 AM, Hondo516 said:

oh yes, let's completely dismiss my claims just because you're friends with Tonio, let's leave the nepotism for in-game Stuff Marski 

nah im ok i like tonio he did nothing wrong 

im his lawyer, jayoma