allow cores to be allied again

[Torr]

What do you want to be changed?

allow cores to be allied

Explanation of suggestion?

^^

How or why does this benefit the server?

Dont you love how sc can just decide that 2 cores are too strong together and its not like the other 2 could be allied.

also isnt it crazy how good relations can be... good??? 

Are there any workshop add-ons or content needed for this suggestion?

[Shepherd]

[Heckity]

+1 Everyone should get better relations with eachother  

[Vibez]

I don't think that's what they care about, believe it's more or less that, core's lore wishes have always not liked each other, and the fact that Cores are geared with much better shit than customs, so having 2 or more cores being allied to fuck over customs and force the way the wipe is going to go, is just not something you would want to see.

 

-1

[Hoxton]

sorry but no the server was so fucking boring at one point with ncr and bos alliance and also ncr and unity alliance while legion was kind of dead imo this is the best change they did

Edited August 6, 2024 at 12:29 AM by Hoxton

[Torr]

On 8/5/2024 at 7:27 PM, Vibez said:

believe it's more or less that, core's lore wishes have always not liked each other

hey man remember in new vegas when NCR and BOS are like... allied?
 

 

On 8/5/2024 at 7:28 PM, Hoxton said:

sorry but no the server was so fucking boring at one point with ncr and bos alliance and also ncr and unity alliance while legion was kind of dead imo this is the best change they did

this was when 

the map was shit, most factions were shit, balance was genuinely at the shittiest spot it had ever been at. that was not NCR and BOS's fault

now lets look at a good example 3.0 (5.0 map) bos and NCR alliance when they did synth man hunts and didnt completely dominate the server because legion was strong itself and it led to a shitload of great rp between the 2 factions that made both more enjoyable to play

[Macklemore]

no

[Shepherd]

The entire reason/point behind why Cores are as strong as they are is to be able to stand on even ground with either;

A. Another core

or

B. Multiple customs

 

So, when you pair a core and a core in an alliance where they are both already strong enough to hold each other to a stand-still, they can then not only fight off a core and win they can then fight several customs and bash them in to, and that's assuming it's ONLY the cores and not their custom faction allies assisting them too. THEN as a result you force the opposing factions to either slug it out and wait or put themselves in a position where they HAVE to ally, which is exactly what usually happened in CGC. I know that you really tried to hammer in roleplay as a big contributor but that's not even close to the reason this suggestion was made lol

 

NCR and BOS go on a mega alliance and have all their customs along with them (Or don't because Lost Hills is actively at war with the NCR, the only known "truce" was with the Mojave Chapter lol)

Which THEN forces;

Legion and Unity to have a mega alliance with their customs (Or don't, because they literally have opposing gods and would hate each other lol)

 

So, I doubt this is expanding roleplay, you're not giving way to options, you are actually forcing every faction between a rock and a hard place to grab their relations and stick by them for likely the entire wipe until an enlisted accidentally shoots the a faction FL and temporarily makes two discords pissy at each other for a week, I guarantee you the only relations that won't be effected are Merc factions (Talon, Hellcats), Isolationist factions (TT, VT, etc), and merchant factions

 

So, here's what I think. I think sure, if you WANT to go and ally with another core, by all means, BUT I think you should have to pay a heavy price for going neutral with a mega faction like that, since you were really reeling in RP when this was discussed, then make it fair, if your Government or commanding branch see's that you have allied with another massive wide scale faction, then I doubt you would be receiving as many supplies as you normally would need in order to fight them, since that faction has their own massive stockpile of weapons, that they should also then have reduced as a result.

 

i.e; NCR and BOS ally, stocks of their guns, armors, utilities such as Vertibirds, the fortification tools, vehicles, ALL of it take reduction across the board as there's no way your Governments would give the same supply and demand when you have just canonically allied with another humongous Government/Military body with their own massive stockpile of weapons.

 

so if you WANT to combine the power of 2 core factions, then you're power should be sliced in half to account for how strong you already are meant to be, as you are NOT MEAN TO BE NEUTRAL, but hey, if you wanna be, by all means, but there's no reason for you to be that strong if this is all for the sake of "RP"

[Torr]

On 8/5/2024 at 7:53 PM, Shepherd said:

The entire reason/point behind why Cores are as strong as they are is to be able to stand on even ground with either;

A. Another core

or

B. Multiple customs

 

So, when you pair a core and a core in an alliance where they are both already strong enough to hold each other to a stand-still, they can then not only fight off a core and win they can then fight several customs and bash them in to, and that's assuming it's ONLY the cores and not their custom faction allies assisting them too. THEN as a result you force the opposing factions to either slug it out and wait or put themselves in a position where they HAVE to ally, which is exactly what usually happened in CGC. I know that you really tried to hammer in roleplay as a big contributor but that's not even close to the reason this suggestion was made lol

 

NCR and BOS go on a mega alliance and have all their customs along with them (Or don't because Lost Hills is actively at war with the NCR, the only known "truce" was with the Mojave Chapter lol)

Which THEN forces;

Legion and Unity to have a mega alliance with their customs (Or don't, because they literally have opposing gods and would hate each other lol)

 

So, I doubt this is expanding roleplay, you're not giving way to options, you are actually forcing every faction between a rock and a hard place to grab their relations and stick by them for likely the entire wipe until an enlisted accidentally shoots the a faction FL and temporarily makes two discords pissy at each other for a week, I guarantee you the only relations that won't be effected are Merc factions (Talon, Hellcats), Isolationist factions (TT, VT, etc), and merchant factions

 

So, here's what I think. I think sure, if you WANT to go and ally with another core, by all means, BUT I think you should have to pay a heavy price for going neutral with a mega faction like that, since you were really reeling in RP when this was discussed, then make it fair, if your Government or commanding branch see's that you have allied with another massive wide scale faction, then I doubt you would be receiving as many supplies as you normally would need in order to fight them, since that faction has their own massive stockpile of weapons, that they should also then have reduced as a result.

 

i.e; NCR and BOS ally, stocks of their guns, armors, utilities such as Vertibirds, the fortification tools, vehicles, ALL of it take reduction across the board as there's no way your Governments would give the same supply and demand when you have just canonically allied with another humongous Government/Military body with their own massive stockpile of weapons.

 

so if you WANT to combine the power of 2 core factions, then you're power should be sliced in half to account for how strong you already are meant to be, as you are NOT MEAN TO BE NEUTRAL, but hey, if you wanna be, by all means, but there's no reason for you to be that strong if this is all for the sake of "RP"

I have an idea

Cores cannot assist another core in a war no matter what

[Shepherd]

On 8/5/2024 at 9:01 PM, Torr said:

I have an idea

Cores cannot assist another core in a war no matter what

Not sure where Wars came from in the discussion when clearly this is meant to be a discussion based around RP and making cores "RP" with each other through alliances. Cores not assisting each other in wars is already a thing basically too since RIGHT NOW cores cannot assist each other in anyway, if we did apply the logic of not being able to assist each other but being able to be allied, this affects absolutely nothing aside from the day to day lives of factions, so this change has 0 effect on wars if it gets accepted or denied.

 

Wars are not a daily thing, they don't occur often enough to the point where they make a faction crack or break under pressure, factions can still be effected in their day to day cycles outside of wars through raids, kidnappings, PVP zones, patrols, visiting public spaces, so when a raid gets called and 2 mega cores are bum rushing a sad sack custom like WBOS, Hellcats, PLA, whoever, they're just gonna get railed, then they force themselves to ally with another faction whether or not it does or doesn't make sense.

 

And none of this was touched on

On 8/5/2024 at 8:53 PM, Shepherd said:

NCR and BOS go on a mega alliance and have all their customs along with them (Or don't because Lost Hills is actively at war with the NCR, the only known "truce" was with the Mojave Chapter lol)

Which THEN forces;

Legion and Unity to have a mega alliance with their customs (Or don't, because they literally have opposing gods and would hate each other lol)

This

On 8/5/2024 at 8:53 PM, Shepherd said:

The entire reason/point behind why Cores are as strong as they are is to be able to stand on even ground with either;

A. Another core

or

B. Multiple customs

This

On 8/5/2024 at 8:53 PM, Shepherd said:

So, I doubt this is expanding roleplay, you're not giving way to options, you are actually forcing every faction between a rock and a hard place to grab their relations and stick by them for likely the entire wipe until an enlisted accidentally shoots the a faction FL and temporarily makes two discords pissy at each other for a week, I guarantee you the only relations that won't be effected are Merc factions (Talon, Hellcats), Isolationist factions (TT, VT, etc), and merchant factions

Or this

[Torr]

On 8/5/2024 at 8:12 PM, Shepherd said:

Not sure where Wars came from in the discussion when clearly this is meant to be a discussion based around RP and making cores "RP" with each other through alliances. Cores not assisting each other in wars is already a thing basically too since RIGHT NOW cores cannot assist each other in anyway, if we did apply the logic of not being able to assist each other but being able to be allied, this affects absolutely nothing aside from the day to day lives of factions, so this change has 0 effect on wars if it gets accepted or denied.

 

Wars are not a daily thing, they don't occur often enough to the point where they make a faction crack or break under pressure, factions can still be effected in their day to day cycles outside of wars through raids, kidnappings, PVP zones, patrols, visiting public spaces, so when a raid gets called and 2 mega cores are bum rushing a sad sack custom like WBOS, Hellcats, PLA, whoever, they're just gonna get railed, then they force themselves to ally with another faction whether or not it does or doesn't make sense.

 

 

the whole point you brought up was cores dog piling and the only time and place that matters is wars so if you remove that aspect it works out 

 

[Shepherd]

On 8/5/2024 at 9:42 PM, Torr said:

the whole point you brought up was cores dog piling and the only time and place that matters is wars so if you remove that aspect it works out 

 

On 8/5/2024 at 9:12 PM, Shepherd said:

And none of this was touched on

 

On 8/5/2024 at 9:12 PM, Shepherd said:

Wars are not a daily thing, they don't occur often enough to the point where they make a faction crack or break under pressure

 

On 8/5/2024 at 9:12 PM, Shepherd said:

Factions can still be effected in their day to day cycles outside of wars through raids, kidnappings, PVP zones, patrols, visiting public spaces, so when a raid gets called and 2 mega cores are bum rushing a sad sack custom like WBOS, Hellcats, PLA, whoever, they're just gonna get railed, then they force themselves to ally with another faction whether or not it does or doesn't make sense.

[EvilHamburgerHelper]

The Only "Alliance" between cores will be indirectly via

GUN RUNNERS BABAYHHHHHHHHHH OH YEAGHHHHHHHHH!

[Kaz]

Damn sheperd really made you like his bitch in this post ngl. It boggles the mind that NCR and BOS enjoyed the time of the server when they where allied. It was divide at peak death and they where just sitting in base doing LITERALLY nothing (other than probably chatting shit in discord) but ig Torr aint got nothing else going on.

Edited August 15, 2024 at 08:03 PM by Kaz

[Diablo]

Just force every faction to be hostile with each other...I want war not peace

[Hank Ricci]

retarded suggestion 

[Marski]

better tactics, better relations

[Shepherd]

No.

'_'