Do Not Wipe Levels

[Sticky]

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What do you want to be changed?

Do not wipe levels as part of the wipe.

Explanation of suggestion?

Levels should not be included in the wipe [IF WE DO WIPE.]
Nobody (with a working and healthy cerebrum) will happily look at their veteran high-level character going back to lvl 1.
All gear, items, everything, can be wiped, hell, even a map change, but DO NOT TOUCH LEVELS.

How or why does this benefit the server?

It's mainly a quality of life suggestion. I know the issues are plentiful, ranging from spawned in gear to the map not being liked by many, but nobody has complained about player levels harming the experience in any way (as far as I know.) 
The levels being untouched will lighten the blow of a wipe, aswell as make it less tedious to get things back on track in terms of gear and day to day activities of factions. Faction Leaders and Officers should worry solely about faction-related things after a wipe, not pressing E on plants for hours on end. 

Are there any workshop add-ons or content needed for this suggestion?

No.

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[Thatguynathan]

thats not how wipes work my boi

 

[Sticky]

On 7/1/2024 at 1:49 AM, Thatguynathan said:

thats not how wipes work my boi

 

exceptions can be made for user enjoyment

[BOGDAMAN]

+1 it's so fucking boring at this point to pick plants and press E on boxes when all i wanna do is get back to what i was doing before
i'm not even a proponent of the wipe itself, i feel like it's a fat neckbeard flipping the board game table when things don't go his way.

who wants to come home after work or college to make some naked lvl1 dude, re-level him, re-perk him, re-grind gear, that just makes me tired and bored af when i could be playing something else. just cuz some people have no problem with playing the mod until their eyes dry and fall out, doesn't mean we all have to 

this is a pretty tame suggestion imo, it's nothing server destroying, just ppl keeping their level so they have one less worry.

[The Ghouler]

+1 if possible guy above me said it pretty well

[Macklemore]

i think it'd be fair to say to lvl 50, but we dont need the looterbobs lvl 60+ to keep their special stats

[BOGDAMAN]

On 7/1/2024 at 1:56 AM, Macklemore said:

i think it'd be fair to say to lvl 50, but we dont need the looterbobs lvl 60+ to keep their special stats

very true, some people have gigantic levels, so just keep everyone to 50, or hell, 40-45

[Sticky]

On 7/1/2024 at 1:56 AM, Macklemore said:

i think it'd be fair to say to lvl 50, but we dont need the looterbobs lvl 60+ to keep their special stats

 

On 7/1/2024 at 1:58 AM, BOGDAMAN said:

very true, some people have gigantic levels, so just keep everyone to 50, or hell, 40-45

100% agreed, anything at this point except a lvl 1 reset

[The Crusader]

I don't believe it's feasible since a wipe results in the deletion of all existing characters.

Edited June 30, 2024 at 11:01 PM by The Crusader

[Sticky]

On 7/1/2024 at 2:01 AM, The Crusader said:

I don't believe it's feasible since a wipe results in the deleting of all existing characters.

also true but, everything is possible on The Mod..

point being, people that leave this Wipe with lvl 56 (for example) should enter the next one with the same level, IF NOT, then reduced to lvl 50 for the sake of convenience

as I said, especially after a wipe, FL's and HICOM and Officers have more important things to do than pick plants for hours

[The Crusader]

well there is 1 thing that may be a solution to it, there was an item in a dead server you use that instantly makes you level 50. However that requires dev work since that doesn't exist in Divide.

Edited June 30, 2024 at 11:14 PM by The Crusader

[Francey]

On 6/30/2024 at 6:48 PM, Sticky said:

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What do you want to be changed?

Do not wipe levels as part of the wipe.

Explanation of suggestion?

Levels should not be included in the wipe [IF WE DO WIPE.]
Nobody (with a working and healthy cerebrum) will happily look at their veteran high-level character going back to lvl 1.
All gear, items, everything, can be wiped, hell, even a map change, but DO NOT TOUCH LEVELS.

How or why does this benefit the server?

It's mainly a quality of life suggestion. I know the issues are plentiful, ranging from spawned in gear to the map not being liked by many, but nobody has complained about player levels harming the experience in any way (as far as I know.) 
The levels being untouched will lighten the blow of a wipe, aswell as make it less tedious to get things back on track in terms of gear and day to day activities of factions. Faction Leaders and Officers should worry solely about faction-related things after a wipe, not pressing E on plants for hours on end. 

Are there any workshop add-ons or content needed for this suggestion?

No.

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It’s apart of the ideals of wipe. A full restart, doing it again. It’s meant to be fun. Rest in peace level 69 Chairman Chang. I’ve lost numerous high level chars through wipes.

:<

[Sticky]

On 7/1/2024 at 2:19 AM, Francey said:

It’s apart of the ideals of wipe. A full restart, doing it again. It’s meant to be fun. Rest in peace level 69 Chairman Chang. I’ve lost numerous high level chars through wipes.

your definition of fun is an interesting one

[Francey]

On 6/30/2024 at 7:22 PM, Sticky said:

your definition of fun is an interesting one

Some people find grind fun. Terraria is a good example of this. A wipe is to recreate the chance to experience this, after boredom seeps in.

[Leon]

On 6/30/2024 at 7:23 PM, Francey said:

Some people find grind fun. Terraria is a good example of this. A wipe is to recreate the chance to experience this, after boredom seeps in.

I admire your tenacity for grinding, but I believe the majority of the player base do not want to run around pressing E on plants and lootables for hours on end.

[Sticky]

On 7/1/2024 at 2:23 AM, Francey said:

Some people find grind fun. Terraria is a good example of this. A wipe is to recreate the chance to experience this, after boredom seeps in.

Then maybe you should go play Terraria if you find that so fun, but MOST people on this server do not find it fun to press E on virtual plants

 

[BOGDAMAN]

i never got server wipes in general. every single time i've seen a server wipe it was because the devs fucked up big time or something that is incredibly broken got introduced into the meta. Like Sticky said, a wipe in my mind was always the last solution , a virtual nuke to throw on top of a server when things no longer work.

And i don't mean just gmod. i've been in fivem servers, redm servers, dayz servers, WoW servers, even MORDHAU RP!!

And every single time, wipe was spoken about as if it was the devil, as if it was this cataclysmic event that ruins everything, devs put on black mantles of mourning when they had to announce a wipe. widows cried, sons and daughters hid in the attic, chaos ensued.

Imagine my surprise when i come to CGC (formerly) and now Divide, and find out wipes are a common thing, about as common as taking a piss in the morning, they just kinda happen. Crazy. To me, it's always been apocalyptic, and always resulted in arguments, fights, drama, loss of progress, loss of playerbase ,etc. 

tl;dr i can't stand wipes, they've always been a destructive measure.

Edited June 30, 2024 at 11:34 PM by BOGDAMAN
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[Zy0n]

On 7/1/2024 at 1:33 AM, BOGDAMAN said:

i never got server wipes in general. every single time i've seen a server wipe it was because the devs fucked up big time or something that is incredibly broken got introduced into the meta. Like Sticky said, a wipe in my mind was always the last solution , a virtual nuke to throw on top of a server when things no longer work.

And i don't mean just gmod. i've been in fivem servers, redm servers, dayz servers, WoW servers, even MORDHAU RP!!

And every single time, wipe was spoken about as if it was the devil, as if it was this cataclysmic event that ruins everything, devs put on black mantles of mourning when they had to announce a wipe. widows cried, sons and daughters hid in the attic, chaos ensued.

Imagine my surprise when i come to CGC (formerly) and now Divide, and find out wipes are a common thing, about as common as taking a piss in the morning, they just kinda happen. Crazy. To me, it's always been apocalyptic, and always resulted in arguments, fights, drama, loss of progress, loss of playerbase ,etc. 

tl;dr i can't stand wipes, they've always been a destructive measure.

The difference is that any other game with a similiar progression to this (MMORPGS) introduce new content every now and then that makes old equipment and so on obsolete. On Divide you will always have High Ends that will always dominate the PvP field no matter what. Now if you don't wipe every now and then, those high ends will become more and more, meaning new AND returning players will get shit on all day by factions that have like 6 high ends fielded. While you may not like wipes, it's a core part of the server concept and needs to be done so the balance can somewhat remain

[BOGDAMAN]

On 7/1/2024 at 3:19 AM, Zy0n said:

The difference is that any other game with a similiar progression to this (MMORPGS) introduce new content every now and then that makes old equipment and so on obsolete. On Divide you will always have High Ends that will always dominate the PvP field no matter what. Now if you don't wipe every now and then, those high ends will become more and more, meaning new AND returning players will get shit on all day by factions that have like 6 high ends fielded. While you may not like wipes, it's a core part of the server concept and needs to be done so the balance can somewhat remain

I respect this explanation but continue to disagree with the methodology and logistics of this
in a perfect world, we'd just change something on a base level to make it so that this isn't doable anymore, on Divide, we just wipe.

[Hank Ricci]

On 6/30/2024 at 7:01 PM, The Crusader said:

I don't believe it's feasible since a wipe results in the deletion of all existing characters.

you could a have a vendor that sells "potions" that will give you XP needed to level up that what surge did. 

[The Crusader]

On 6/30/2024 at 6:39 PM, Hank Ricci said:

you could a have a vendor that sells "potions" that will give you XP needed to level up that what surge did. 

 

On 6/30/2024 at 5:11 PM, The Crusader said:

well there is 1 thing that may be a solution to it, there was an item in a dead server you use that instantly makes you level 50. However that requires dev work since that doesn't exist in Divide.

I hinted that.

[Francey]

On 6/30/2024 at 7:31 PM, Sticky said:

Then maybe you should go play Terraria if you find that so fun, but MOST people on this server do not find it fun to press E on virtual plants

 

I do play Terraria

[Sticky]

On 7/1/2024 at 8:18 AM, Francey said:

I do play Terraria

Aren't you just the siliest little grinder on video games 

[Synth]

On 7/1/2024 at 12:03 AM, Sticky said:

also true but, everything is possible on The Mod..

point being, people that leave this Wipe with lvl 56 (for example) should enter the next one with the same level, IF NOT, then reduced to lvl 50 for the sake of convenience

as I said, especially after a wipe, FL's and HICOM and Officers have more important things to do than pick plants for hours

if youre level 56 youre part of the reason theres going to be a wipe.

[Sticky]

On 7/1/2024 at 2:02 PM, Synth said:

if youre level 56 youre part of the reason theres going to be a wipe.

I am not, but, wtf does my level have to do with the many many many issues that plague the server to the point it has to wipe everything and everybody

if anything, high levels are the least of everybody's worries. They should remain untouched, and serve as a way to lighten the blow of a wipe, like i said, and allow people to focus on their own factions after the wipe, not pick plants once again. It is not a difficult concept.