Marski Posted June 29, 2024 at 01:14 AM Share Posted June 29, 2024 at 01:14 AM IM POSTING THIS FOR EOPSIN, I AM NOT APART OF THIS IN ANY WAY. Who banned you?: Garrus/SC What is your in-game name and Steam name?: eopsin, doesn't matter tho bc it for the forums What was your ban message and how long were you banned? permanent forum ban What were you banned for?: "Toxicity", but the real reason was the extensive comment I made on Byron's appeal about Garrus's behavior with certain individuals, and with threatening people. What is your Steam ID and Discord ID: eopsin, steamid don't matter Please provide any evidence you have regarding the incident that led up to your ban: The evidence has now been hidden, so I can't post the screenshots here (unsure of if I could post them even with names edited out) but I would recommend that any interested parties check out the Byron ban appeal- read Epsilon's comment for a vague outline of what happened. For those who don't want to do that, here is my perspective: Byron was banned for harassing Othac, he was banned for some time. Fair enough. In a conversation Byron and Garrus had, Garrus had, without Byron asking for any information, detailed how he had conversations regarding grooming and IRL problems with a former member of the community, while she was between the ages of 16 and 18. He had stated that she was "drunk", "depressed", and "feeling talkative". Garrus detailed this as a way of confirming that Othac had not groomed/been inappropriate with this girl, as Byron had said he had, stating that this former member of the community had told him everything- including some of the names of people who had apparently groomed/attempted to groom her. I reiterate, this information was presented unprompted. Byron then showed these DMs to me, as we were talking about the situation, and I was absolutely disgusted with the language used, the exposing of private information by Garrus, and the situation in general, as Garrus is in his mid 20s, and this girl was between 16 and 18 at the time of these many conversations. I contacted Staff Council about the situation privately, and was given no follow-up for months on end. When I finally did receive any information back, aside from people telling me that something was possibly happening, and that talks may be ongoing, I was told that Garrus was simply told to apologize to the members of SC and give his assurances that it wouldn't happen again. I was entirely against this decision, as the behavior was inarguably inappropriate, but I had very little power to do anything about it. Over time, members of SC changed, and Epsilon became the Community Manager. While these changes were occurring, Othac was unfortunately doxxed (which, it is annoying I have to say this, but I had nothing to do with it. People who know who did it know I am not in any way associated with the doxxers) and very obviously faked screenshots of Garrus saying ridiculous things were published around the discords, which a lot of people had a good laugh at due to the absurdity of them. Garrus then DMed me, threatening me that he would "take action" if he kept hearing my name in conjunction with the situation with the underage community member. He said this due to believing I am part of the group that both produced the faked screenshots and doxxed Othac. I reiterate, I am not part of that group. We had a small argument and exchange of some jabs, and nothing more. I will be honest, being threatened by a SC member who had 0 evidence to back up their claims made me angry. So, when Byron posted his ban appeal, I read Garrus's replies. The replies made me incredibly angry, as I read them as condescending and dishonest. I spoke to a few people I know, and I made a massive comment that included a few screenshots, detailing everything I disliked about Garrus and his behavior, as well as detailing the situation he was involved in, without naming names- though, I will admit, I made an oversight. I did not censor the names in the screeenshot. Regardless, this comment was posted, many people began DMing me and taking screenshots of the post, and then the post was hidden. A few SC replies were posted and deleted, with the final reply saying that SC would review the evidence presented, but that the post was hidden, not removed, to protect against any drama wildfires and against any spreading of personal information. While I respect the attempt to dissuade any harassment or spreading of personal info, I do find it incredibly strange that SC is more concerned with the quite public information spreading via an angry and concerned player detailing it on the forums than the incident itself. Today, I logged on the forums to look at a post, or rather I attempted to log on. I was met with a ban page showing that Garrus had given me a permanent forums ban for "Toxicity", and I was very confused by this. After a few talks, and inquiries with the right people, I was notified that, in fact, Garrus did not ban me of his own accord. In fact, it had been a decision made by Epsilon (with the consultation of SC), to ban me from the forums. Why should you be un-banned?: While some of the points above go into this, the simple fact is that I actually faced *more punishment* than Garrus for **exposing** what he had done, and what I still believe to be weird and freakish behavior, and what was actually AGREED to be weird behavior in the official response posted by Epsilon, than Garrus faced for the actions he had committed. I have yet to find out what, if anything, happened with Garrus in terms of an actual punishment for what he did. If something *did* happen, it was kept entirely private, even from members of staff. This is incredibly confusing and backwards. This sets the precedent that a member of the community can make an honest report, one with merit, one that is taken seriously and is found to be acceptable on at least some level, and can also be threatened by SC, and then banned by them for daring to publish such a report. There should be no punishment for people speaking up. The "toxicity" I showed was my honest feelings about Garrus, backed up with evidence, detailing the things he had done, which included threats to me. Garrus, in SC discussions, seemed to show more concern with how I would be punished than any remorse for his actions. If I was in his shoes, I wouldn't be thinking about how the person who detailed my wrongdoings should be punished, I would be thinking about how I can change as a person. There is, simply put, no actual reason for a forum ban, or ban of any kind. I didn't actually do anything wrong. I voiced a honest, real report, backed up with evidence. That is not toxicity. That is especially not a forum permaban for toxicity. There is no harassment there, there is no lies, my conclusions in my post were explicitly my own with every piece of evidence I had clearly provided. That should not be something to be punished for. If Staff Council decides this ban is completely warranted, I would like to pose a question, as a way to understand the situation, both for myself and for the community at large. If my punishment for posting the comment reporting Garrus and publicizing the evidence and my opinions is a permanent forum ban, what is Garrus's punishment for actually doing these things? 4 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThunderWolf Posted June 29, 2024 at 02:38 AM Share Posted June 29, 2024 at 02:38 AM On 6/28/2024 at 6:14 PM, Marski said: I do find it incredibly strange that SC is more concerned with the quite public information spreading via an angry and concerned player detailing it on the forums than the incident itself. Eopsin is a veteran player and has been playing for how long? If he genuinely had concerns regarding a Staff Council Member, he should've made a separate staff report instead of blatantly dropping it in the middle of a ban appeal. ESPECIALLY Byron's Ban Appeal, since that felt partially malicious in an attempt to discredit everything Garrus tried to explain in it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Macklemore Posted June 29, 2024 at 06:58 AM Share Posted June 29, 2024 at 06:58 AM -1 keep bro's horrible takes off the forums Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unity Posted June 29, 2024 at 12:10 PM Share Posted June 29, 2024 at 12:10 PM the certified Yapper is back again Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kaz Posted June 29, 2024 at 12:19 PM Share Posted June 29, 2024 at 12:19 PM -1 This guy has never looked at a take without thinking "How would this effect me?" @GarrusYou have freed us from his dog takes. +2 to SC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fearsome Posted June 29, 2024 at 12:22 PM Share Posted June 29, 2024 at 12:22 PM Their are still people on the forums making worse takes then eopsin 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shepherd Posted June 29, 2024 at 11:11 PM Share Posted June 29, 2024 at 11:11 PM Denied Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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