Hoxton Posted June 10, 2024 at 09:39 PM Share Posted June 10, 2024 at 09:39 PM (edited) what are these comments "why didnt you put the stats" "i dont have the stats, can you give me the stats?" "no" Edited June 10, 2024 at 09:41 PM by Hoxton 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eopsin Posted June 10, 2024 at 09:39 PM Share Posted June 10, 2024 at 09:39 PM On 6/10/2024 at 4:36 PM, Omgrajaa said: I'm not leaking the stats of the gun so you can get it nerfed lol. I agree with you that the gun is too strong and needs to be adjusted but that would be super malicious of me as a Officer in the faction to then go and leak every guns stats, especially when it benefits my other characters. If Admiral Dark or any other members of HC wanna leak the stats then they can go for it. I already gave the stats in the form of comparable weapons, most specifically the Mr. Gat, which has the exact same damage as the Gauss Gat, with better rpm/no rev/bigger mag/faster reload This post is shooting blanks. The Gauss Gat itself isn't a problem, the problem is the auto meta in which a great number of guns are as good as or better than the gauss gat, the gauss gat is just the "new" thing, so its complained about more. It feels like people really only seem to complain about guns/armor/items when they are used against them. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Omgrajaa Posted June 10, 2024 at 09:43 PM Share Posted June 10, 2024 at 09:43 PM On 6/10/2024 at 5:39 PM, Hoxton said: what are these comments "why didnt you put the stats" "i dont have the stats, can you give me the stats?." "no" yeah bro, I'm gonna sacrifice my friends trust in me and peoples trust in me as a officer in their faction so I can get my faction nerfed!!!! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoxton Posted June 10, 2024 at 09:44 PM Share Posted June 10, 2024 at 09:44 PM On 6/10/2024 at 11:43 PM, Omgrajaa said: yeah bro, I'm gonna sacrifice my friends trust in me and peoples trust in me as a officer in their faction so I can get my faction nerfed!!!! understandable but why did you ask for stats then ? with your logic no guns should be nerfed ever until someone leaks the stats and doesnt what you just said imply that it should be nerfed? if its not OP you wouldn't be "scared" to give the stats Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Macklemore Posted June 10, 2024 at 09:46 PM Share Posted June 10, 2024 at 09:46 PM (edited) On 6/10/2024 at 3:39 PM, Eopsin said: I already gave the stats in the form of comparable weapons, most specifically the Mr. Gat, which has the exact same damage as the Gauss Gat, with better rpm/no rev/bigger mag/faster reload you're giving us stats by comparing it to another weapon we dont have the stats of? If the Mr Gat is as strong as you're making it sound then the gun is also overtuned. Edited June 10, 2024 at 09:47 PM by Macklemore Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Omgrajaa Posted June 10, 2024 at 09:47 PM Share Posted June 10, 2024 at 09:47 PM On 6/10/2024 at 5:44 PM, Hoxton said: understandable but why did you ask for stats then ? with your logic no guns should be nerfed ever until someone leaks the stats and doesnt what you just said imply that it should be nerfed? if its not OP you wouldn't be "scared" to give the stats Stats of weapons aren't hard to find out, and I'm not "scared" to leak the stats because the gun is OP (which it is) , I'm not leaking the stats because that's not my job and that would destroy the trust between me and the people in my faction. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rotten Posted June 10, 2024 at 10:08 PM Share Posted June 10, 2024 at 10:08 PM I had nerfed it a long time ago, same damage but way less RPM, similar to how all Gauss type weapons shot on here. Of course because it wasnt OP it was babyrage until it was changed back. Makes no sense to me why a Gauss gatling shoots the same RPM as every other Gatling when the gun was literally made be to high damage low firerate. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kaz Posted June 10, 2024 at 10:11 PM Author Share Posted June 10, 2024 at 10:11 PM On 6/10/2024 at 11:08 PM, rotten said: I had nerfed it a long time ago, same damage but way less RPM, similar to how all Gauss type weapons shot on here. Of course because it wasnt OP it was babyrage until it was changed back. Makes no sense to me why a Gauss gatling shoots the same RPM as every other Gatling when the gun was literally made be to high damage low firerate. HE'S MAKING TOO MUCH SENSE! MY LORD! You still have your IQ after using the Gauss? King. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eopsin Posted June 11, 2024 at 12:15 AM Share Posted June 11, 2024 at 12:15 AM On 6/10/2024 at 5:08 PM, rotten said: I had nerfed it a long time ago, same damage but way less RPM, similar to how all Gauss type weapons shot on here. Of course because it wasnt OP it was babyrage until it was changed back. Makes no sense to me why a Gauss gatling shoots the same RPM as every other Gatling when the gun was literally made be to high damage low firerate. afaik the fire rate change has stayed? The issue is the tick rate. Which affects all guns. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heckity Posted June 11, 2024 at 12:18 AM Share Posted June 11, 2024 at 12:18 AM On 6/10/2024 at 4:08 PM, Kaz said: They already nerfed the broadsider into the ground. This is known. So yeah ig ur right? I was tryna agree to hoxtons comment as a bit but i forgor to quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
So say we all Posted June 11, 2024 at 12:26 AM Share Posted June 11, 2024 at 12:26 AM The Broadsider got nerfed before minutemen even fielded one as far as I'm aware lol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Macklemore Posted June 11, 2024 at 12:48 AM Share Posted June 11, 2024 at 12:48 AM On 6/10/2024 at 6:26 PM, So say we all said: The Broadsider got nerfed before minutemen even fielded one as far as I'm aware lol. you could always make staff revert the nerf so MM can test it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kyle skatebord Posted June 11, 2024 at 12:50 AM Share Posted June 11, 2024 at 12:50 AM (edited) On 6/10/2024 at 7:15 PM, Eopsin said: afaik the fire rate change has stayed? The issue is the tick rate. Which affects all guns. You are so clueless its not even funny. First you lied about what west teks member cap was. It was 25, not “50-75”. the fire rate of the gun was buffed after west tek first released. The buff was needed, but it was too big of a buff and turned into what we have today also, it is me, the savior to leak the stats. Im not a part of the faction anymore but have used the gun and know the stats (at rare, which is what they get it at) it is just under 24 damage base (avenger is 25) and has a half second ramp up starting at 800 rpm before increasing to around 1000 rpm (avenger is 1000 rpm no ramp up.) i would say just to nerf the rarity to common or a damage decrease by 1 or 2. Edited June 11, 2024 at 12:51 AM by kyle skatebord 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
So say we all Posted June 11, 2024 at 02:10 AM Share Posted June 11, 2024 at 02:10 AM On 6/10/2024 at 5:48 PM, Macklemore said: you could always make staff revert the nerf so MM can test it Oh yeah I'll get right on it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Solarr Posted June 11, 2024 at 02:39 AM Share Posted June 11, 2024 at 02:39 AM On 6/10/2024 at 5:30 PM, Eopsin said: 15 man outcast over 12-15 NCR "flag up" where it was literally all privates, anyone would choose the PA faction over the same number of NCR privates Eopsin every little reply you post on this digs a deeper hole for you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Solarr Posted June 11, 2024 at 02:43 AM Share Posted June 11, 2024 at 02:43 AM On 6/10/2024 at 5:43 PM, Omgrajaa said: yeah bro, I'm gonna sacrifice my friends trust in me and peoples trust in me as a officer in their faction so I can get my faction nerfed!!!! I am not throwing shade or nothing but you quite literally posted the DR vendor prices and stocks, some of which were exaggerated or outright wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Omgrajaa Posted June 11, 2024 at 05:49 PM Share Posted June 11, 2024 at 05:49 PM On 6/10/2024 at 10:43 PM, Solarr said: I am not throwing shade or nothing but you quite literally posted the DR vendor prices and stocks, some of which were exaggerated or outright wrong. in my private OOC discord to people who already knew your vendor, and I wasn't wrong on anything I said Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spoon Posted June 11, 2024 at 06:11 PM Share Posted June 11, 2024 at 06:11 PM huh 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marski Posted June 11, 2024 at 08:44 PM Share Posted June 11, 2024 at 08:44 PM dark cant catch a break from nerfs lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shephard Posted June 12, 2024 at 12:48 AM Share Posted June 12, 2024 at 12:48 AM I hate nerf suggestions because it always results in a few ending scenarios. 1: It was actual baby rage cause the one guy in power armor didn't beat the other guy in power armor, cause the other guy had a better gun and reaction time. uh-oh stinky. 2: A nerf is suggested but no one reveals stats because for whatever reason a simple fucking public excel sheet doesn't exist for this which would make this discussion extremely easy. 3: It did need a nerf, BUT because the guy suggesting it is a mouth-breather, no one took it seriously or was conveniently easy to discard by SC who didn't want to nerf it cause it benefits them 4: It did need a nerf, BUT the more "vocal" section of the community doesn't want it nerfed because it benefits them 5: It did need a nerf, but the people who would be effected by this change bait the OP of the suggestion into a fight and it results in the thread locking and ignored. 6: It didn't need a nerf, but SC are effected by the weapon, so it's nerfed to be horrible (often when the faction just got the weapon) 7: It didn't need a nerf, but the vocal side of the community are ass-mad at pixels on a screen. often when the faction just got the weapon) I am not saying any one of these endings are explicitly this post, but it's going to have one of these gay endings instead of an actual discussion of what's reasonable and not Make a fucking Excel sheet that's public at this rate, everyone will know how every weapon performs, I am partial to cartridge based damage scaling (all 9mm does similar damage, all 5.56 does similar damage) with minor variables, but that doesn't work as well when it comes to Energy weapons. But I will literally sit there and document every weapons stat if no one else is willing to do it. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kyle skatebord Posted June 12, 2024 at 04:35 PM Share Posted June 12, 2024 at 04:35 PM On 6/11/2024 at 7:48 PM, Shephard said: I hate nerf suggestions because it always results in a few ending scenarios. 1: It was actual baby rage cause the one guy in power armor didn't beat the other guy in power armor, cause the other guy had a better gun and reaction time. uh-oh stinky. 2: A nerf is suggested but no one reveals stats because for whatever reason a simple fucking public excel sheet doesn't exist for this which would make this discussion extremely easy. 3: It did need a nerf, BUT because the guy suggesting it is a mouth-breather, no one took it seriously or was conveniently easy to discard by SC who didn't want to nerf it cause it benefits them 4: It did need a nerf, BUT the more "vocal" section of the community doesn't want it nerfed because it benefits them 5: It did need a nerf, but the people who would be effected by this change bait the OP of the suggestion into a fight and it results in the thread locking and ignored. 6: It didn't need a nerf, but SC are effected by the weapon, so it's nerfed to be horrible (often when the faction just got the weapon) 7: It didn't need a nerf, but the vocal side of the community are ass-mad at pixels on a screen. often when the faction just got the weapon) I am not saying any one of these endings are explicitly this post, but it's going to have one of these gay endings instead of an actual discussion of what's reasonable and not Make a fucking Excel sheet that's public at this rate, everyone will know how every weapon performs, I am partial to cartridge based damage scaling (all 9mm does similar damage, all 5.56 does similar damage) with minor variables, but that doesn't work as well when it comes to Energy weapons. But I will literally sit there and document every weapons stat if no one else is willing to do it. Monkey nuts i already posted the stats Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shephard Posted June 12, 2024 at 06:08 PM Share Posted June 12, 2024 at 06:08 PM On 6/12/2024 at 12:35 PM, kyle skatebord said: Monkey nuts i already posted the stats Hey monkey nuts, read On 6/11/2024 at 8:48 PM, Shephard said: I am not saying any one of these endings are explicitly this post... Troglodyte. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kyle skatebord Posted June 12, 2024 at 07:10 PM Share Posted June 12, 2024 at 07:10 PM On 6/12/2024 at 1:08 PM, Shephard said: Hey monkey nuts, read Troglodyte. Stupid monkey nuts stupid idiot Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Garrus Posted June 12, 2024 at 07:51 PM Share Posted June 12, 2024 at 07:51 PM Wow guys, let's keep it civil okay @kyle skatebord and @Shephard or else I will be forced to do point number 5 from @Shepherd's list. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shepherd Posted June 12, 2024 at 08:32 PM Share Posted June 12, 2024 at 08:32 PM On 6/12/2024 at 3:51 PM, Garrus said: Wow guys, let's keep it civil okay @kyle skatebord and @Shephard or else I will be forced to do point number 5 from @Shepherd's list. You didn't even @ the right Shepherd Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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