Gauss Gat change (NOT COPE)

[Kaz]

What do you want to be changed?

Nerf the Gauss Gat. No excuse again for it to be like it is.

Explanation of suggestion?

Everyone was agreeing that the gauss gat needs a nerf but for some reason they (Robert) said it wouldn't get nerfed until someone makes a suggestion? How about when you see a problem you fix it and don't want for someone to point it out? Some guns get nerfed day 1. But some others stay OP for years. Wacky world. 

How or why does this benefit the server?

Doesn't need to be as strong as it is. Nothing was done from my past suggestion. Guess i'll just make it till someone does SOMETHING.

Are there any workshop add-ons or content needed for this suggestion?

N/A

[Hoxton]

 

meanwhile broadsider nerfed into the ground day 2 without a suggestion (80k in vendor and its CURRENTLY worse than the laser rifle we spawn with)

Edited June 10, 2024 at 08:39 PM by Hoxton

[Macklemore]

I miss the days when super awesome high end weapons were sold like once a wipe at the end weeks of wipe, now we just put gauss gats in vendor 

[Heckity]

I agree we should nerf  the gauss gat AND the broadsider into ground +1

[Guest Payne]

i hate post like this, no suggested stats, "just nerf it"

[Mint]

Just remove it from vendor and put it in VG doesnt need a nerf just needs to be as rare as avenger

[Macklemore]

On 6/10/2024 at 2:44 PM, Payne said:

i hate post like this, no suggested stats, "just nerf it"

i dont think any of us know the stats of the gun.

[Macklemore]

just make it a better gat laser / plasma gat, similar to Vindicator, Mr Gatling, other high end but not avenger high ends

[Macklemore]

On 6/10/2024 at 2:55 PM, Eopsin said:

Did you know thats actually exactly what it is, and the gun it is most similar to is the Mr. Gat, which it is a downgrade to in all ways other than accuracy?

your the same guy saying Tesla RCW shouldn't be nerfed, I would trust a VT players opinion on balance over yours

[Mint]

On 6/10/2024 at 3:54 PM, Eopsin said:

 

I think posts like these really prove the statements I have made regarding how, for some reason, when not every gun had public stats, people seemed to complain a lot less.

Anyways, having used the gauss gat as well as many other weapons like it, known the stats of those I have not used, etc, the gun is fine. It has a major weakness in that it has a 100 round mag, one of the smallest of the minigun type weapons, and has a long reload. It is otherwise, at rare, about on the same tier as a rare/superior modded mini, as it still has rev.

 

I think there are certainly some more fucked weapons on the server, just people don't know the stats or the factions are so inactive (compared to outcasts, which is already inactive) that people don't care. For example, the commonwealth gat laser does 39 damage per shot at common with 30 int. The Mr. Gat is a Gauss Gat with higher RPM, higher mag, etc etc but less accuracy. The MG-42, despite Legion being very dead and not using it, is absolutely crazy. The Browning is a dominant weapon that is only not complained about because the people who fight it are so demoralized and in few number (at least before the core faction rule changes). The gun is no doubt good, but hyperbole with no comparison to other gear makes it far better than it is. If it gets a nerf, the nerf should be small.

Oh, by the way, for those wondering, the reason why it seems like they are seen quite regularly is because WT bought out the stock every single time. All the guns are then QMed and are used by officers.

are you comparing ur custom faction weapons to the core weapons who are supposed to be strong and saying its balanced cause the cores are better?

[Macklemore]

On 6/10/2024 at 2:58 PM, Eopsin said:

I think the gun could use some changes, but I don't agree with cope posts where the description of the needed changes is "Nerf that fucking Tesla RCW beast weapon to hell" that uses really bad DPS calculations to substantiate the claim.

The Tesla RCW needs, more than anything, an accuracy nerf.

the post explained how closely the TTK the weapon is to a Avenger, the TTK should be close but lower then an ACR because of the 50 round mag. Instead you have a better INTEL SA80. 

Nerf DMG
Nerf Spread
Add Slight Kick to the recoil

[Kaz]

On 6/10/2024 at 9:44 PM, Payne said:

i hate post like this, no suggested stats, "just nerf it"

Give me the gun and i'll get you the suggested stats. I dont know the stats as I am not in the faction. All I know is that it needs nerfed. Do you understand how silly what you just said is? Its your job (and the rest of SC tbf) to figure it out. Its too strong. Everyone already know that. I gave a very detailed outcast post last time and NOTHING was done. Not nearly enough was done i must say.

[Kaz]

On 6/10/2024 at 9:42 PM, Heckity said:

I agree we should nerf  the gauss gat AND the broadsider into ground +1

They already nerfed the broadsider into the ground. This is known. So yeah ig ur right?

[Mint]

The outcast faction is so broken that when my friends told me their vendor and stats I thought they were just coping and that it wasnt real LOL 

 

Chose 10 man outcast over NCR Core Flagup for War 

[Omgrajaa]

On 6/10/2024 at 4:33 PM, Kaz said:

Explanation of suggestion?

Everyone was agreeing that the gauss gat needs a nerf but for some reason they (Robert) said it wouldn't get nerfed until someone makes a suggestion? How about when you see a problem you fix it and don't want for someone to point it out?

This mentality is why things get shadow nerfed and shadow buffed with no community feedback or input. EVERY nerf/buff that is specific to one weapon unless the gun is genuinely harming server health, or is a 100% public gun, should have to be suggested through the forums so the community can give its opinion and feedback on it. 
 

On 6/10/2024 at 4:33 PM, Kaz said:

What do you want to be changed?

Nerf the Gauss Gat. No excuse again for it to be like it is.

You haven't provided any stats or weapon comparisons to give us a good idea of what the weapon is similar to and what it should be reworked into. Saying "This OP NERF!1112!!!" makes your post look like a cope post even if the post is valid. No one can give proper feedback if the only thing they know about the Gauss Gat is "It's really strong"

[Kaz]

On 6/10/2024 at 10:30 PM, Eopsin said:

15 man outcast over 12-15 NCR "flag up" where it was literally all privates, anyone would choose the PA faction over the same number of NCR privates

Remember when the faction was capped? Think about what you're saying before the yap.

[Kaz]

On 6/10/2024 at 10:31 PM, Omgrajaa said:

This mentality is why things get shadow nerfed and shadow buffed with no community feedback or input. EVERY nerf/buff that is specific to one weapon unless the gun is genuinely harming server health, or is a 100% public gun, should have to be suggested through the forums so the community can give its opinion and feedback on it. 
 

You haven't provided any stats or weapon comparisons to give us a good idea of what the weapon is similar to and what it should be reworked into. Saying "This OP NERF!1112!!!" makes your post look like a cope post even if the post is valid. No one can give proper feedback if the only thing they know about the Gauss Gat is "It's really strong"

Give me the stats then?

[Kaz]

On 6/10/2024 at 10:33 PM, Eopsin said:

remember when it was capped at 50-75 people? Do you want outcasts to do the same thing?? I don't think anyone would object to a 50-75 member cap. 

Lmao. Again. Use your brain. Then type these comments

[Omgrajaa]

On 6/10/2024 at 5:32 PM, Kaz said:

Give me the stats then?

I'm not leaking the stats of the gun so you can get it nerfed lol. I agree with you that the gun is too strong and needs to be adjusted but that would be super malicious of me as a Officer in the faction to then go and leak every guns stats, especially when it benefits my other characters. 

If Admiral Dark or any other members of HC wanna leak the stats then they can go for it.

[Hoxton]

what are these comments

"why didnt you put the stats"

"i dont have the stats, can you give me the stats?"

"no"

Edited June 10, 2024 at 09:41 PM by Hoxton

[Omgrajaa]

On 6/10/2024 at 5:39 PM, Hoxton said:

what are these comments

"why didnt you put the stats"

"i dont have the stats, can you give me the stats?."

"no"

yeah bro, I'm gonna sacrifice my friends trust in me and peoples trust in me as a officer in their faction so I can get my faction nerfed!!!!

[Hoxton]

On 6/10/2024 at 11:43 PM, Omgrajaa said:

yeah bro, I'm gonna sacrifice my friends trust in me and peoples trust in me as a officer in their faction so I can get my faction nerfed!!!!

understandable but why did you ask for stats then ? with your logic no guns should be nerfed ever until someone leaks the stats

and doesnt what you just said imply that it should be nerfed? if its not OP you wouldn't be "scared" to give the stats

[Macklemore]

On 6/10/2024 at 3:39 PM, Eopsin said:

I already gave the stats in the form of comparable weapons, most specifically the Mr. Gat, which has the exact same damage as the Gauss Gat, with better rpm/no rev/bigger mag/faster reload

you're giving us stats by comparing it to another weapon we dont have the stats of? If the Mr Gat is as strong as you're making it sound then the gun is also overtuned.

Edited June 10, 2024 at 09:47 PM by Macklemore

[Omgrajaa]

On 6/10/2024 at 5:44 PM, Hoxton said:

understandable but why did you ask for stats then ? with your logic no guns should be nerfed ever until someone leaks the stats

and doesnt what you just said imply that it should be nerfed? if its not OP you wouldn't be "scared" to give the stats

Stats of weapons aren't hard to find out, and I'm not "scared" to leak the stats because the gun is OP (which it is) , I'm not leaking the stats because that's not my job and that would destroy the trust between me and the people in my faction. 

[rotten]

I had nerfed it a long time ago, same damage but way less RPM, similar to how all Gauss type weapons shot on here. Of course because it wasnt OP it was babyrage until it was changed back. Makes no sense to me why a Gauss gatling shoots the same RPM as every other Gatling when the gun was literally made be to high damage low firerate.